{"id":1673,"date":"2018-12-02T23:14:58","date_gmt":"2018-12-02T15:14:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.kate1138.com\/?p=1673"},"modified":"2021-01-10T18:39:35","modified_gmt":"2021-01-10T10:39:35","slug":"sinica-chas-freeman-interview-part1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.miahavero.me\/?p=1673","title":{"rendered":"Sinica &#8211; Chas Freeman interview part1"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/supchina.com\/podcast\/legendary-diplomat-chas-w-freeman-jr-on-u-s-china-strategy-and-history-part-1\/\">\u8fd9\u4e2ainterview<\/a>\u662f8\u670816\u65e5\u64ad\u51fa\u7684\u3002\u6211\u5f88\u559c\u6b22\u4ed6\u4eec\u7684\u8ba8\u8bba\uff0c\u89c9\u5f97\u542c\u5b8c\u9700\u8981\u8bb0\u5f55\uff0c\u5b9e\u9645\u76ee\u7684\u662f\u8bb0\u5f55\uff0c\u4f46\u53c8\u89c9\u5f97\u4e0d\u60f3\u6f0f\u6389\u7ec6\u8282\uff0c\u6240\u4ee5\u53d8\u6210\u73b0\u5728\u8fd9\u79cd\u6837\u5b50\u3002\u53c8\u4e0d\u591f\u6982\u62ec\u53c8\u4e0d\u591f\u51c6\u786e\uff0c\u8fd8\u975e\u5e38\u7684\u8d39\u65f6\u95f4\u3002\u6211\u7684\u542c\u5199\u5927\u6982\u662f\u8282\u76ee\u65f6\u95f4\u76844\u500d\u3002\u9047\u5230\u4e0d\u77e5\u9053\u7684\u4e1c\u897f\u987a\u624b\u67e5\u4e00\u4e24\u4e0b\u53c8\u662f\u975e\u5e38\u8d39\u65f6\u3002\u540e\u9762\u4e24\u96c6\u80af\u5b9a\u4e0d\u8fd9\u6837\u8bb0\u5f55\u4e86\uff0c\u8d1f\u62c5\u4e0d\u8d77\u8fd9\u4e2a\u65f6\u95f4\u3002\u4e5f\u60f3\u4e0d\u51fa\u6765\u600e\u4e48\u505a\u597d\u3002\u4eca\u5929\u4e0d\u60f3\u60f3\u8fd9\u4e2a\u95ee\u9898\u4e86\u3002<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<blockquote><p>podcast released on 8\/17\/18<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p>\u4ecd\u7136\u4e0d\u662f\u5b8c\u6574\u7684transcribe\u3002\u8fde\u7740\u4e09\u661f\u671f\u542c\u5b8c\u540e\uff0c\u89c9\u5f97\u5f88\u6709\u5fc5\u8981\u8bb0\u5f55\u4e00\u4e0b\u3002\u8fd9\u4f4d\u5609\u5bbe<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Charles_W._Freeman_Jr.\">Chas W. Freeman<\/a>\u7684\u80cc\u666f\u548c\u7ecf\u5386\u4e5f\u662f\u975e\u5e38\u4e30\u5bcc\u3002\u542c\u4ed6\u8bf4\u4e8b\u60c5\u975e\u5e38\u53d7\u76ca\u3002\u5f53\u7136\u4ed6\u8bf4\u7684\u4e1c\u897f\u662fout of depths of me\u3002\u8981\u8bb0\u5f55\u5bf9\u6211\u633a\u6709\u96be\u5ea6\u7684\u3002Kaiser\u548cJeremy\u8bb2\u5230\u7684\u5f88\u591a\u4e1c\u897f\u6211\u4e5f\u90fd\u4e0d\u77e5\u9053\u3002\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/supchina.com\/podcast\/legendary-diplomat-chas-w-freeman-jr-on-u-s-china-strategy-and-history-part-1\/\">Legendary Diplomat Chas W. Freeman, Jr., On U.S.-China Strategy And History: Part 1<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p>\u5f00\u5934\uff1aKaiser\u548cJeremy\u4ecb\u7ecd\u4e86\u5609\u5bbe\u3002Freeman\u5927\u4f7f\u6709\u5f88\u957f\u7684\u5916\u4ea4\u7ecf\u5386\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p>\u4ed6\u7684\u6c49\u8bed\u8bb2\u5f97\u975e\u5e38\u6d41\u5229\u3002\u57281972\u5c3c\u514b\u677e\u8bbf\u534e\u7684\u5386\u53f2\u6027\u4e8b\u4ef6\u91cc\uff0c\u4ed6\u662f\u4e3b\u8981\u7ffb\u8bd1\u5458\u3002\u4e2d\u7f8e\u6062\u590d\u5916\u4ea4\u5173\u7cfb\u4e4b\u540e\u76841979\u5e74\u52301981\u5e74\uff0c\u4ed6\u662fState Department\u7684director of Chinese affairs\u3002\u7136\u540e81\u523084\u5e74\u4ed6\u5728\u7f8e\u56fd\u9a7b\u534e\u5927\u4f7f\u9986\u5de5\u4f5c\uff1b93\u523093\u5e74\u662f\uff08\u56fd\u9632\u90e8\u5de5\u4f5c\uff09\uff1b\u4ed6\u540e\u6765\u51fa\u4efb\u7f8e\u56fd\u9a7b\u6c99\u7279\u963f\u62c9\u4f2f\u5927\u4f7f\uff0c\u4ed6\u7684\u4efb\u671f\u5185\u8428\u8fbe\u59c6\u4fb5\u7565\u4e86\u79d1\u5a01\u7279\u3002\u5728\u5965\u5df4\u9a6c\u7b2c\u4e00\u4e2a\u4efb\u671f\u65f6\uff0c\u4ed6\u88ab\u63d0\u540d\u62c5\u4efbDirector of Intelligence Council\uff0c\u4f46\u662f\u7531\u4e8e\u4ed6\u575a\u6301\u51fa\u7248Mearsheimer\u7684\u5173\u4e8e\u5728\u7f8e\u56fd\u7684\u4ee5\u8272\u5217lobby\u7684\u5f71\u54cd\u529b\u7684\u4e66\uff0c\u65e9\u5230\u4e86\u5f88\u591a\u4eb2\u4ee5\u8272\u5217\u7684\u4eba\u58eb\u7684\u53cd\u5bf9\uff0c\u4e0d\u5f97\u4e0d\u9000\u51fa\uff0c\u800c\u8fd9\u4ef6\u4e8b\u6b63\u597d\u8bf4\u660e\u4eb2\u4ee5\u8272\u5217\u6d3e\u7cfb\u5728\u7f8e\u56fd\u653f\u6cbb\u4e2d\u5f88\u6709\u5f71\u54cd\u529b\u3002Freeman\u5927\u4f7f\u76ee\u524d\u662fSenior fellow at Brown University\u2019s Watson Institution for international and public affairs\u3002\u4ed6\u5199\u4e86\u5f88\u591a\u5173\u4e8e\u7f8e\u56fd\u3001\u4e2d\u4e1c\u7684\u4e66\uff0c\u5f53\u7136\u8fd8\u6709\u5173\u4e8e\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u4e66\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Kaiser:<\/strong>\u00a0\u6211\u4eec\u4eca\u5929\u5f53\u7136\u5c31\u662f\u6765\u8bb2\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u3002Freeman\u5927\u4f7f\u5728\u8fd9\u65b9\u9762\u53d1\u8868\u8fc7\u5f88\u591a\u3002\u5728\u6211\u770b\u6765\uff0c\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u6700\u7406\u60f3\u7684\u6001\u5ea6\u662f&#8221;informed empathy&#8221;\u3002\u6ca1\u6709\u4eba\u6bd4Freeman\u5927\u4f7f\u66f4embody\u6211\u7684\u8fd9\u4e2a\u7406\u60f3\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Kaiser &amp; Jeremy:<\/strong>\u00a0\u4e00\u822c\u6211\u4eec\u53ea\u548c\u6211\u4eec\u7684\u5609\u5bbe\u6df1\u5165\u8ba8\u8bba\u4e00\u4e2a\u8bdd\u9898\uff0c\u4f46\u662f\u4f60\u7684\u7ecf\u5386\u90a3\u4e48\u4e30\u5bcc\uff0c\u6211\u4eec\u60f3\u8981\u8986\u76d6\u66f4\u591a\uff0c\u6211\u4eec\u8fd9\u6b21\u5f55\u7684\u8282\u76ee\u4f1a\u5206\u4e24\u671f\u64ad\u653e\u3002\u6211\u4eec\u7b2c\u4e00\u90e8\u5206\u4f1a\u8bb2\u5982\u4eca\u7684\u6001\u52bf\uff0c\u4e2d\u7f8e\u53cc\u8fb9\u5173\u7cfb\u3002\u7b2c\u4e8c\u90e8\u5206\u6765\u8bb2\u8bb2\u4f60\u65e9\u8d77\u548c\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u5173\u7cfb\uff0c\u7279\u522b\u662f\u4f60\u5728\u53f0\u6e7e\u7684\u7ecf\u5386\uff0c\u4f60\u53c2\u4e0e\u5c3c\u514b\u677e\u8bbf\u534e\u7684\u4e8b\u60c5\uff0c\u8fd8\u6709\u63a5\u4e0b\u6765\u4e24\u56fd\u5efa\u4ea4\u65f6\u671f\u7684\u4e8b\u60c5\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Kaiser:<\/strong>\u00a0\u8ba9\u6211\u4eec\u4ece\u6211\u8111\u4e2d\u7b2c\u4e00\u4e2a\u8bdd\u9898\u5f00\u59cb\u8bf4\u8d77\uff1a\u7f8e\u56fd\u5bf9\u5982\u4eca\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u5d1b\u8d77\u7684\u53cd\u5e94\u8ba9\u4eba\u62c5\u5fe7\u3002\u4f60\u5728\u4eca\u5e742\u6708\u7684\u6f14\u8bb2\u4e2d\uff0c\u8bf4\u5230\u7f8e\u56fd\u9488\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684&#8221;strategy deficit&#8221;\u3002\u4f60\u80fd\u4e0d\u80fd\u89e3\u91ca\u4e00\u4e0b\u4f60\u8bf4\u7f3a\u4e4f\u6218\u7565\u662f\u4ec0\u4e48\u610f\u601d\uff0c\u4f60\u89c9\u5f97\u7f8e\u56fd\u9488\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u5e94\u8be5\u8981\u6709\u4ec0\u4e48\u6218\u7565\uff1f<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Chas W. Freeman jr. :<\/strong>\u00a0\u6218\u7565\u662fclear statement of objectives\uff0c\u7136\u540e\u53ef\u4ee5\u9488\u5bf9\u8fd9\u4e9b\u76ee\u6807\u6765\u8c03\u5ea6\u624b\u91cc\u6240\u6709\u7684\u8d44\u6e90\uff0c\u6bd4\u5982\u7ecf\u6d4e\u4e0a\u7684\u3001\u519b\u4e8b\u4e0a\u7684\u3001\u5916\u4ea4\u4e0a\u7684\u3001\u4fe1\u606f\u4e0a\u7684\u5404\u79cd\u8d44\u6e90\u3002\u7f8e\u56fd\u5982\u4eca\u7f3a\u4e4f\u8fd9\u4e2a\u76ee\u6807\uff0c\u6240\u4ee5\u7f8e\u56fd\u56fd\u5bb6\u7684\u8fd9\u4e48\u591a\u8d44\u6e90\u73b0\u5728\u5b8c\u5168\u6ca1\u6709\u534f\u8c03\u3002\u5386\u53f2\u4e0a\u4e2d\u7f8e\u5173\u7cfb\u8f6c\u6298\u5f88\u591a\u3002\u6211\u4eec\u66fe\u7ecf\u53d1\u5c55\u51fa\u4e86\u975e\u5e38\u4e92\u76f8\u4f9d\u8d56\u7684\u7ecf\u6d4e\uff1b\u653f\u6cbb\u4e0a\u6211\u4eec\u4e00\u76f4\u8fd8\u80fd\u76f8\u5904\uff0c\u5c3d\u7ba1\u672c\u8d28\u4e0a\u6709\u5f88\u5927\u7684\u4e0d\u540c\uff1b\u6587\u5316\u4e0a\u6211\u4eec\u867d\u7136\u5927\u4e0d\u76f8\u540c\uff0c\u4f46\u4e92\u76f8\u90fd\u5bf9\u5bf9\u65b9\u6709\u597d\u5947\uff1b\u519b\u4e8b\u4e0a\u51fa\u4e8680\u5e74\u4ee3\uff0c\u4e24\u56fd\u5173\u7cfb\u975e\u5e38\u5dee\uff0880\u5e74\u4ee3\u4e24\u56fd\u6709\u8fc7\u597d\u51e0\u6b21\u519b\u4e8b\u5408\u4f5c\uff0c\u7f8e\u56fd\u5e2e\u52a9\u4eba\u6c11\u89e3\u653e\u519b\u73b0\u4ee3\u5316\uff0c\u5728\u963f\u5bcc\u6c57\u4e00\u8d77\u548c\u5165\u4fb5\u7684\u82cf\u8054\u4f5c\u6218\uff0c\u4e2d\u56fd\u4e5f\u5e2e\u52a9\u7f8e\u56fd\u66f4\u4e86\u89e3\u82cf\u8054\u7684\u6a21\u5f0f\u548c\u6280\u672f\u4ee5\u5e2e\u52a9\u7f8e\u56fd\u63d0\u9632\u82cf\u8054\uff09\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Kaiser:<\/strong>\u00a0\u90a3\u4e48\u6ca1\u6709\u6218\u7565\uff0c\u662f\u4e0d\u662f\u53ea\u6709ad-hoc\u7684\u884c\u52a8\uff1f<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Chas W. Freeman jr. :<\/strong>\u00a0\u4e0d\u5e78\u7684\u662f\uff0c\u73b0\u5728\u6bcf\u4e2a\u65b9\u9762\u4e24\u56fd\u90fd\u662f\u4e92\u76f8\u6709\u654c\u610f\u7684\u3002\u653f\u6cbb\u4e0a\uff0c\u7f8e\u56fd\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u6709\u654c\u610f\uff0c\u539f\u56e0\u53ef\u80fd\u662f\u7f8e\u56fd\u8fd8\u6ca1\u51c6\u5907\u597d\u4e0d\u518d\u662f\u65e0\u53ef\u4e89\u8bae\u7684\u6700\u5927\u56fd\u5bb6\uff1b\u7ecf\u6d4e\u4e0a\uff0c\u672c\u6765\u7684\u4e92\u76f8\u4f9d\u8d56\u73b0\u5728\u53d8\u6210\u4e86\u8d38\u6613\u6218\u4e89\uff0c\u800c\u4e14\u662f\u7f8e\u56fd\u53d1\u8d77\u7684\uff0c\u800c\u4e14\u6267\u884c\u8d77\u6765\u4e5f\u975e\u5e38\u6ca1\u6709\u91cd\u70b9\uff0c\u4e0d\u7ed9\u4e2d\u56fd\u4fe1\u53f7\u8bf4\u7f8e\u56fd\u60f3\u8981\u4ec0\u4e48\uff0c\u7f8e\u56fd\u81ea\u5df1\u4e5f\u770b\u8d77\u6765\u6ca1\u6709\u660e\u786e\u7684\u76ee\u6807\uff1b\u519b\u4e8b\u4e0a\u4e24\u56fd\u8fd8\u662f\u4e92\u76f8\u654c\u5bf9\uff0c\u90fd\u5728\u5907\u6218\uff0c\u6211\u5e76\u4e0d\u662f\u8bf4\u6218\u4e89\u5c31\u8981\u5f00\u6253\u4e86\uff0c\u800c\u662f\u4e24\u56fd\u4e92\u76f8\u6709\u6df1\u6df1\u7684\u731c\u5fcc\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Jeremy:<\/strong>\u00a0\u8fd9\u4e2a\u7f3a\u4e4f\u6218\u7565\u7684\u95ee\u9898\uff0c\u662f\u5ddd\u666e\u72ec\u6709\u7684\u5417\uff1f\u6211\u731c\u4e0d\u662f\uff1f\u6709\u8fc7\u4e0d\u5c11\u4eba\u6279\u8bc4\u5965\u5df4\u9a6c\u548c\u5e03\u4ec0\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u4e5f\u6ca1\u6709\u6218\u7565\uff0c\u4ed6\u4eec\u6ce8\u610f\u529b\u90fd\u5728\u53cd\u6050\u4e0a\u9762\u4e86\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Chas:<\/strong>\u00a0\u6211\u8ba4\u4e3a\u81ea\u4ece\u51b7\u6218\u7ed3\u675f\u4e4b\u540e\uff0c\u7f8e\u56fd\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u5916\u4ea4\u6218\u7565\u5c31\u5f00\u59cb\u968f\u6ce2\u9010\u6d41\u4e86\u3002\u9996\u5148\u5728\u51b7\u6218\u65f6\u671f\uff0c\u6211\u4eec\u6709<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/George_F._Kennan\">Kennan<\/a>\u7684containment\u7b56\u7565\u3002\u5728\u8fd9\u4e2a\u7b56\u7565\u4e0a\uff0c\u7f8e\u56fd\u7684\u6240\u6709\u5916\u4ea4\u548c\u522b\u7684\u884c\u52a8\uff0c\u90fd\u81f4\u529b\u4e8e\u5b64\u7acb\u56f4\u5835\u82cf\u8054\uff0c\u77e5\u9053\u82cf\u8054\u89e3\u4f53\u3002\u8fd9\u4e2a\u7b56\u7565\u6211\u4eec\u6267\u884c\u4e86\u56db\u5341\u51e0\u5e74\uff0c\u6240\u4ee5\u5728\u4e0d\u9700\u8981\u5b83\u4e86\u4e4b\u540e\uff0c\u6211\u4eec\u5df2\u7ecf\u4e0d\u4f1a\u6709\u7b56\u7565\u5730\u601d\u8003\u4e86\u3002\u51b7\u6218\u4e4b\u540e\uff0c\u6211\u4eec\u7684\u5916\u4ea4\u5c31\u53d8\u6210discretionary\u7684\u6d3b\u52a8\u4e86\uff0c\u4f60\u60f3engage\u5c31engage\uff0c\u4e0d\u60f3\u5c31\u4e0d\u60f3\uff0c\u81ea\u5df1\u5224\u65ad\u3002\u6240\u4ee5\u505a\u4ec0\u4e48\u51b3\u5b9a\u5c31\u88ab\u5404\u79cd\u4e0d\u540c\u7684\u610f\u8bc6\u5f62\u6001\u7684\u5f71\u54cd\u5de6\u53f3\u4e86\u3002\u6211\u4eec\u5f00\u59cb\u4e0d\u592a\u6ce8\u91cd\u4eba\u6743\u4e86\uff0c\u53ea\u8981\u89c9\u5f97\u4e0d\u4f1a\u88ab\u6279\u5c31\u53ef\u4ee5\u653e\u677e\u3002\u6211\u4eec\u53d1\u73b0\u5728\u4e9a\u6d32\u7684\u5f71\u54cd\u529b\u6e10\u6e10\u88ab\u4e2d\u56fd\u593a\u8d70\u4e86\u800c\u611f\u5230\u8b66\u89c9\u3002\u4e2d\u56fd\u6539\u5f00\u4ee5\u6765\uff0c\u6211\u4eec\u7684\u7b56\u7565\u4e00\u76f4\u662f\u60f3\u529e\u6cd5\u8ba9\u4e2d\u56fd\u878d\u5165\u5230\u56fd\u9645\u793e\u4f1a\uff08\u6ce8\uff1a\u5e94\u8be5\u610f\u601d\u662f\u548c\u4e2d\u56fd\u4ea4\u597d\u662f\u4e3a\u4e86\u5236\u8861\u82cf\u8054\uff09\uff0c\u540e\u6765\u6211\u4eec\u6ca1\u6709\u65b0\u7684\u7b56\u7565\u3002\u5404\u90e8\u95e8\u7684\u5408\u4f5c\u53d8\u5f97ad-hoc\u3002\u6240\u4ee5\u5728\u6211\u770b\u6765\u5ddd\u666e\u4e0a\u4efb\u65f6\uff0c\u4e2d\u7f8e\u5173\u7cfb\u5e76\u4e0d\u662f\u5f88\u597d\uff0c\u5f53\u7136\u4ed6\u4e0a\u53f0\u540e\u52a0\u901f\u4e86\u7f8e\u56fd\u7684\u56fd\u9645\u5730\u4f4d\u4e0b\u964d\uff0c\u5305\u62ec\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u5173\u7cfb\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Kaiser:<\/strong>\u00a0\u5965\u5df4\u9a6c\u65f6\u671f\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u63d0\u51fa\u8fc7re-pivot\u7b56\u7565\u3002\u8fd9\u4e0d\u591f\u6210\u4e3a\u6218\u7565\u662f\u5417\uff1f\uff08\u6ce8\uff1a\u6211\u5927\u6982\u57fa\u672c\u6ca1\u542c\u61c2\u95ee\u9898\uff09\u800c\u4e14\u4e2d\u56fd\u770b\u6765\u597d\u50cf\u8fd9\u7b56\u7565\u5c31\u662f\u4e00\u79cdcontainment\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div 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class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Kaiser:<\/strong>\u00a0\u90a3\u4e48\u4e2d\u56fd\u505a\u5f97\u5982\u4f55\uff1f\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u6218\u7565\u662f\u4ec0\u4e48\uff1f\u6709\u7684\u4eba\u8bf4\u4e2d\u56fd\u53ea\u60f3\u5efa\u8bbe\u5c0f\u5eb7\u793e\u4f1a\uff0c\u53e6\u4e00\u4e2a\u6781\u7aef\u662f\u8bf4\u4e2d\u56fd\u60f3\u91cd\u65b0\u6210\u4e3a\u5929\u671d\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Chas:<\/strong>\u00a0\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u6587\u5316\u4e00\u76f4\u5f3a\u8c03\u8c0b\u7565\u3002\u6211\u7684\u7ecf\u5386\u6765\u770b\u4e2d\u56fd\u4eba\u90fd\u66f4\u662f\u8c0b\u7565\u5bb6\uff0c\u800c\u4e0d\u662ftacticians\u3002\u4ed6\u4eec\u867d\u7136\u5f88\u6709\u6218\u7565\uff0c\u4f46\u662f\u6267\u884c\u5c42\u9762\u7ecf\u5e38\u72af\u9519\u3002\u6240\u4ee5\u6211\u8ba4\u4e3a\u4e2d\u56fd\u662f\u6709\u6218\u7565\u7684\u3002\u6211\u4e0d\u89c9\u5f97\u662f\u79f0\u9738\u5168\u7403\u3002\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u4e2d\u56fd\u76ee\u524d\u5728\u56fd\u9645\u4e0a\u5730\u4f4d\u4e0a\u5347\uff0c\u4e00\u90e8\u5206\u662f\u56e0\u4e3a\u7f8e\u56fd\u7684\u9000\u7f29\u7559\u4e0b\u7684\u4f59\u5730\uff0c\u8fd9\u4e00\u70b9\u591a\u4e8e\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684predatory 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class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Jeremy:<\/strong>\u00a0\u80fd\u4e0d\u80fd\u8bf7\u95ee\u4e00\u4e0b\uff0c\u4f60\u89c9\u5f97\u7f8e\u56fd\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u6218\u7565\u5e94\u8be5\u662f\u600e\u6837\u7684\uff0c\u6216\u8005\u8d77\u7801\u4f60\u89c9\u5f97\u4e0d\u5e94\u8be5\u662f\u600e\u6837\u7684\uff1f<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div 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class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Jeremy:<\/strong>\u00a0\u4f60\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u5236\u90202025\u7684\u60f3\u6cd5\u5f88\u7279\u522b\u3002\u4f60\u80fd\u8bf4\u8bf4\u4f60\u89c9\u5f97\u6211\u4eec\u5e94\u8be5\u600e\u6837\u5e94\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u5236\u90202025\u5417\uff1f<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Chas:<\/strong>\u00a0\u53cd\u6b63\u7edd\u5bf9\u4e0d\u662f\u5173\u7a0e\u3002\u5173\u7a0e\u4e0d\u4f1a\u5e2e\u52a9\u6211\u4eec\u7684\u5de5\u4e1a\u3002\u9650\u5236\u7b7e\u8bc1\u4e5f\u6ca1\u7528\u3002\u5173\u4e8e\u7b7e\u8bc1\uff0c\u521b\u65b0\u662f\u5728\u5408\u4f5c\u4e2d\u4ea7\u751f\u7684\uff0c\u800c\u4e0d\u662f\u4e2d\u56fd\u4eba\u8bf4\u7684\u201c\u95ed\u95e8\u9020\u8f66\u201d\u80fd\u8fbe\u5230\u7684\u3002\u9650\u5236\u4e2d\u56fd\u7559\u5b66\u751f\u7814\u7a76\u5458\u5bf9\u7f8e\u56fd\u6ca1\u597d\u5904\u3002\u7f8e\u56fd\u7684\u957f\u5904\u4e00\u76f4\u662f\u5bf9\u5916\u56fd\u4eba\u7684openness\u3002\u6211\u4eec\u4e00\u76f4\u662f\u8111\u529b\u8fdb\u53e3\u8005\u3002\u6240\u4ee5\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u9488\u5bf9\u201c\u4e2d\u56fd\u5236\u90202025\u201d\uff0c\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u6b63\u786e\u7684\u505a\u6cd5\u662f\u7814\u7a76\u8fd9\u4e2a\u653f\u7b56\uff0c\u60f3\u529e\u6cd5\u548c\u4e2d\u56fd\u8c08\u5224\u8fbe\u6210\u4e00\u4e2a\u5408\u7406\u7684\u7ade\u4e89\u673a\u5236\u3002\u5728\u8fd9\u4ef6\u4e8b\u4e0a\uff0c\u6b27\u6d32\u3001\u65e5\u672c\u3001\u5370\u5ea6\u548c\u6211\u4eec\u6709\u5171\u540c\u7684\u5229\u76ca\u3002\u6240\u4ee5\u8fd9\u53c8\u662f\u4e2a\u9700\u8981\u591a\u8fb9\u5408\u4f5c\u7684\u95ee\u9898\uff0c\u800c\u4e0d\u662f\u5355\u7eaf\u7684\u4e2d\u7f8e\u53cc\u8fb9\u5173\u7cfb\u3002\u6211\u4eec\u8981\u63a5\u53d7\u6ca1\u6709\u4ec0\u4e48\u80fd\u963b\u6b62\u4e2d\u56fd\u6210\u4e3a\u4e00\u4e2a\u66f4\u52a0\u521b\u65b0\u7684\u56fd\u5bb6\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Kaiser:<\/strong>\u00a0\u6211\u611f\u89c9\u5427\uff0c\u73b0\u5728\u5927\u5bb6\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u79d1\u6280\u53d1\u5c55\u8fd9\u4e48\u53cd\u5e94\u8fc7\u6fc0\uff0c\u539f\u56e0\u5c31\u5982\u4f60\u5728Interesting Times\u91cc\u63cf\u8ff0\u7684\uff1a\u5927\u5bb6\u628a\u201c\u79d1\u6280\u8fdb\u6b65\u4ee5\u53ca\u5e02\u573a\u7ecf\u6d4e\u8fd0\u4f5c\u548c\u8a00\u8bba\u81ea\u7531\u8054\u7cfb\u5728\u4e00\u8d77\u4e86\u201d\u3002\u8fd9\u5176\u5b9e\u662f\u4e24\u4e2a\u70b9\uff0c\u4e00\u4e2a\u662f\u96c6\u6743\u56fd\u5bb6\u5c45\u7136\u4e5f\u80fd\u6709\u5e02\u573a\u7ecf\u6d4e\uff0c\u53e6\u4e00\u4e2a\u70b9\u662f\u79d1\u6280\u548c\u8a00\u8bba\u81ea\u7531\uff0c\u4f3c\u4e4e\u5982\u679c\u4f60\u4e0d\u77e5\u90538964\u4e8b\u4ef6\u4f60\u5c31\u4e0d\u80fd\u5199\u597d\u7a0b\u5e8f\u3002\u6211\u4eec\u603b\u662f\u89c9\u5f97\u6211\u4eec\u7684\u521b\u65b0\u80fd\u529b\u662f\u6211\u4eec\u5f97\u5230\u7684\u81ea\u7531\u8d4b\u4e88\u7684\uff0c\u4f60\u89c9\u5f97\u8fd9\u6837\u6709\u9053\u7406\u5417\uff1f<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Chas:<\/strong>\u00a0\u5c31\u50cf\u8bf4\u201c\u5927\u9ec4\u8702\u4e0d\u4f1a\u98de\u201d\u4f46\u5b9e\u9645\u4e0a\u5b83\u4eec\u4f1a\u4e00\u6837\uff0c\u4e2d\u56fd\u7ed9\u6211\u4eec\u5e26\u6765\u7684\u95ee\u9898\u662f\u6311\u6218\u4e86\u6211\u4eec\u7684\u610f\u8bc6\u5f62\u6001\u3002\u6211\u4eec\u8ba4\u4e3a\u81ea\u7531\u662f\u521b\u65b0\u548c\u7ecf\u6d4e\u53d1\u5c55\u7684\u524d\u63d0\u3002\u8fd9\u79cd\u60f3\u6cd5\u663e\u7136\u662f\u4e0d\u7b26\u5408\u5386\u53f2\u7684\u3002\u7eb3\u7cb9\u5fb7\u56fd\u3001\u82cf\u8054\u3001\u4fc4\u56fd\u5c31\u5f88\u521b\u65b0\u3010K\uff1a\u8fd9\u51e0\u4e2a\u4f8b\u5b50\u7684\u7ecf\u6d4e\u90fd\u4e0d\u597d\u5427\uff1f\u524d\u4e24\u8005\u88ab\u51fb\u8d25\u4e86\uff0c\u4fc4\u56fd\u73b0\u5728\u5728\u5bf9\u6297\u4e2d\u3002\u3011\u3002\u53ea\u8981\u79d1\u6280\u4ea4\u6d41\u7684\u81ea\u7531\u8fd8\u5728\uff0c\u5c31\u4f1a\u6709\u521b\u65b0\u3002\u5728\u8fd9\u65b9\u9762\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u4e2d\u56fd\u6b63\u5728\u72af\u9519\uff0c\u6bd4\u5982\u8bf4\u8fc7\u5206\u76d1\u7ba1\u7f51\u7edc\u3002\u53e6\u4e00\u4e9b\u65b9\u9762\u4e2d\u56fd\u6709\u4f18\u52bf\uff0c\u6bd4\u5982\u8bf4\u5728\u7f8e\u56fd\u79d1\u6280\u53d1\u5c55\u6211\u4eec\u8d8a\u6765\u8d8a\u53d7\u5230\u5b97\u6559\u52bf\u529b\u7684\u963b\u788d\u3002\u4f46\u662f\u73b0\u5728\u4efb\u4f55\u5728\u4e2d\u56fd\u505a\u4efb\u4f55\u7814\u7a76\u7684\u4eba\u4f1a\u53d1\u73b0\uff0c\u7f51\u7edc\u76d1\u7ba1\u51e0\u4e4e\u65e0\u6cd5\u7a81\u7834\uff0c\u800c\u4e14\u8d8a\u6765\u8d8a\u53d7\u5230\u66f4\u5f3a\u5927\u7684\u7ba1\u5236\u3002\u6240\u4ee5\u5728\u4e2d\u56fd\u505a\u7814\u7a76\u57fa\u672c\u4e0a\u662f\u5728\u4e0d\u540c\u7684\u661f\u7403\u4e86\u3002\u8fd9\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u6765\u8bf4\u6ca1\u597d\u5904\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Jeremy:<\/strong>\u00a0Chas\uff0c\u4f60\u7528\u8bcd\u7cbe\u51c6\uff0c\u8fd9\u4e00\u70b9\u6211\u5f88\u94a6\u4f69\uff0c\u7279\u522b\u662f\u8003\u8651\u5230\u4f60\u662f\u5916\u4ea4\u5b98\u3002\u6bd4\u5982\u4f60\u4eca\u5e74\u5728committee of 100\u4e0a\u9762\u8bf4\u7684\u8bdd\uff0c\u6beb\u4e0d\u5ba2\u6c14\u5730\u8bf4\u8fd9\u5c4a\u653f\u5e9c\u662f\u88abxenophobia\u3001\u5730\u65b9\u4fdd\u62a4\u4e3b\u4e49\u8005\u3001\u597d\u6218\u7684\u519b\u65b9\uff0c\u548cchicken hawk militarists\u4e3b\u5bfc\u7684\u3010K\uff1a\u6211\u4e71\u7ffb\u7136\u540e\u8df3\u8fc7\u4e00\u4e9b\u4e0d\u4e86\u89e3\u7684\u4e86\u5c31\u3002\u3002\u3011\u3002\u6211\u7279\u522b\u559c\u6b22\u8fd9\u53e5\u8bdd\uff1aTo appease American (m-?) and to deal with a wealthy and powerful China, President Trump is experimenting with economic theories that appear to have been crow-sourced to right-wing talk radio and to know-nothing TV. 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class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Chas:<\/strong>\u00a0\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u786e\u5728\u56fd\u9645\u4e0a\u8d8a\u6765\u8d8aassertive\uff0c\u6216\u8005\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u5e94\u8be5\u8bf4truculence\u3002\u5728\u56fd\u5185\u8d8a\u6765\u8d8a\u96c6\u6743\u3002\u6211\u66fe\u7ecf\u89c2\u5bdf\u4e86\u53f0\u6e7e\u793e\u4f1a\u7684\u73b0\u4ee3\u5316\u8fc7\u7a0b\uff0c\u4e5f\u662f\u8fdb\u8fdb\u9000\u9000\u5f88\u4e0d\u4e00\u5e06\u98ce\u987a\u7684\u3002\u6240\u4ee5\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u76ee\u524d\u7684illiberal\u8d8b\u52bf\u4e0d\u662f\u4e0d\u53ef\u9006\u8f6c\u7684\u3002\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u8fd8\u662f\u53ef\u4ee5\u5e0c\u671b\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u6b63\u5728\u58ee\u5927\u7684\u4e2d\u4ea7\u9636\u7ea7\u80fd\u591f\u625b\u4f4f\uff0c\u62b5\u6297\u8fd9\u4e2a\u8d8b\u52bf\u3002\u6211\u8fd8\u662f\u62b1\u7740\u5e0c\u671b\uff0c\u5e0c\u671b\u4e2d\u56fd\u80fd\u53d1\u5c55\u5f97\u548c\u6211\u4eec\u7684\u4ef7\u503c\u89c2\u66f4\u52a0compatible\u4e00\u4e9b\u3002\u3010K\uff1a\u8fc7\u5341\u5e74\u53d1\u73b0\uff0c\u7f8e\u56fd\u53d8\u6210\u4e2d\u56fd\u73b0\u5728\u8fd9\u4e2a\u6837\u5b50\u4e86\uff01\u3011\u90fd\u8bf4\u6bcf\u4e2a\u4e0d\u5e78\u7684\u5bb6\u5ead\u90fd\u6709\u4e0d\u4e00\u6837\u7684\u6545\u4e8b\uff0c\u6bcf\u4e2a\u7f8e\u56fd\u7684\u653f\u6cbb\u89c2\u70b9\u90fd\u6709\u4e0d\u540c\u7684\u654c\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u539f\u56e0\u3002\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u4eba\u6743\u72b6\u6001\uff0c\u4e2d\u56fd\u5bf9\u5f85\u5c11\u6570\u6c11\u65cf\u7684\u505a\u6cd5\u3002\u6c11\u4e3b\u515a\u5f53\u7136\u6709\u5404\u79cd\u53cd\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u7406\u7531\u3002\u53e6\u5916\u4e0d\u8981\u5fd8\u8bb0\uff0c\u4e00\u76f4\u5230\u6700\u8fd1\uff0c\u7f8e\u56fd\u7684labor movement\u4e00\u76f4\u662f\u53cd\u5bf9\u8d38\u6613\u3001\u4fdd\u62a4\u672c\u56fd\u5de5\u4f5c\u5c97\u4f4d\u7684\u3002\u800c\u8fd9\u4e2a\u8fd0\u52a8\u662f\u6c11\u4e3b\u515a\u4e3b\u5bfc\u7684\uff0c\u6240\u4ee5\u8fd9\u4e5f\u53ef\u4ee5\u662f\u6c11\u4e3b\u515a\u8ba8\u538c\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u7406\u7531\u3002\u6240\u4ee5\u6211\u4eec\u65e2\u6709\u653f\u6cbb\u52a8\u529b\uff0c\u53c8\u6709\u610f\u8bc6\u5f62\u6001\u4fe1\u4ef0\u6765\u8ba8\u538c\u4e2d\u56fd\u3002\u4e0d\u4ec5\u662felites\uff0c\u5982\u679c\u4f60\u770b\u6c11\u610f\u8c03\u67e5\u4f1a\u53d1\u73b0\uff0c\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u53cd\u5bf9\u5927\u90e8\u5206\u6765\u81ea\u5546\u4e1a\u3002\u6bd4\u5982\u77e5\u8bc6\u4ea7\u6743\u95ee\u9898\u7b49\u7b49\u3002\u3002\u3002\u4f46\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u4e00\u4e2a\u4e3b\u8981\u7684\u95ee\u9898\u662f\uff0c\u73b0\u5728\u56fd\u9632\u95ee\u9898\u8d8a\u6765\u8d8a\u70eb\u624b\uff0c\u7f8e\u56fd\u7684\u4f01\u4e1a\u672c\u6765\u662f\u53ef\u4ee5\u4e3a\u4e86\u5546\u4e1a\u5229\u76ca\u6765\u4e3a\u4e2d\u56fd\u8bf4\u8bdd\u7684\uff0c\u4f46\u73b0\u5728\u4ed6\u4eec\u8d8a\u6765\u8d8a\u4e0d\u613f\u610f\u4ecb\u5165\u56fd\u9632\u95ee\u9898\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Kaiser:<\/strong>\u00a0Jeremy\u521a\u624d\u63d0\u5230\u4e86Christopher Wray\u63d0\u5230\u7684\u56fd\u9632\u95ee\u9898\u3002\u4f60\u89c9\u5f97\uff0c\u5728\u4e2d\u56fd\u8d8a\u6765\u8d8a\u5927\u529b\u65bd\u52a0\u7684\u5f71\u54cd\u529b\uff0c\u548c\u7f8e\u56fd\u7684\u5e94\u5bf9\u8fd9\u4e24\u8005\u91cc\uff0c\u54ea\u4e00\u4e2a\u9020\u6210\u7684\u7834\u574f\u66f4\u4e25\u91cd\uff1f<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Chas:<\/strong>\u00a0\u5766\u767d\u5730\u8bf4\uff0c\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u6211\u4eec\u53c8\u8d70\u5165\u4e86\u4e00\u4e2aphase\uff0c\u548c\u4e00\u6218\u65f6\u671f\u7684Palmer Raids\u3001\u4e8c\u6218\u65f6\u671f\u5bf9\u65e5\u672c\u540e\u88d4\u7684\u63a7\u5236\u4e00\u6837\u3002\u5728\u7f8e\u56fd\u7684\u534e\u88d4\u5c06\u4f1a\u8d8a\u6765\u8d8a\u53d7\u5230\u6b67\u89c6\u3002\u8fd9\u4e0d\u662f\u5386\u53f2\u4e0a\u7684\u9996\u4f8b\uff0c\u4f46\u8fd9\u5f88\u7cdf\u7cd5\u3002\u5173\u4e8e\u4e2d\u56fd\u65bd\u52a0\u5f71\u54cd\u529b\uff0c\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u8fd9\u91cc\u6709\u51e0\u4e2a\u5927\u5bb6\u641e\u4e0d\u6e05\u695a\u7684\u5730\u65b9\u3002\u4e00\u4e2a\u662f\u7edf\u6218\u5de5\u4f5c\uff0c\u8fd9\u4e2a\u662f\u9488\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u4eba\u800c\u4e0d\u662f\u5916\u56fd\u4eba\u7684\uff0c\u8ba9\u8fd9\u4e9b\u4e2d\u56fd\u4eba\u80fd\u591f\u652f\u6301\u4e2d\u56fd\u5e76\u4e14neturalize\u53cd\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\uff08\u4e2d\u56fd\uff09\u4eba\uff0c\u4e0d\u7ba1ta\u5728\u4e2d\u56fd\u8fd8\u662f\u5916\u56fd\u3002\u53e6\u5916\u8fd8\u6709\u4e00\u79cd\u9488\u5bf9\u5916\u56fd\u4eba\u7684influence operation\uff0c\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u5728\u8fd9\u65b9\u9762\u4e2d\u56fd\u4eba\u505a\u5f97\u975e\u5e38\u5dee\uff0c\u5f71\u54cd\u529b\u975e\u5e38\u7cdf\u7cd5\u3002\u4ed6\u4eec\u6b63\u5728\u8fdb\u6b65\u3002\u6bd4\u5982China Daily\u7684\u786e\u53d1\u5e03\u4e2d\u56fd\u89c6\u89d2\u7684\u6587\u7ae0\uff0c\u4f46\u4ed6\u4eec\u6839\u672c\u6ca1\u6709\u4ec0\u4e48\u5f71\u54cd\u529b\u3002\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u5927\u5bb6\u5728\u62c5\u5fc3\u8fd9\u4e2a\u95ee\u9898\u7684\u539f\u56e0\uff0c\u4e00\u65b9\u9762\u662f\u53cd\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u8a00\u8bba\u603b\u662f\u4f1a\u627e\u4e00\u4e9b\u5185\u5bb9\uff0c\u53e6\u4e00\u65b9\u9762\u662f\u5728\u6fb3\u5927\u5229\u4e9a\u53d1\u751f\u7684\u4e8b\u60c5\uff0c\u4e00\u4e9b\u4e2d\u56fd\u5b66\u751f\u663e\u7136\u53d7\u5230\u4e86\u7edf\u6218\u5de5\u4f5c\u7684\u5f71\u54cd\uff0c\u8d8a\u8fc7\u4e86\u4e00\u4e9b\u754c\u7ebf\u3002\u6211\u6ca1\u770b\u5230\u8fd9\u5728\u7f8e\u56fd\u53d1\u751f\u3002\u5728\u7f8e\u56fd\u7684\u5b54\u5b50\u5b66\u9662\u57fa\u672c\u4e0a\u662f\u8bed\u8a00\u5b66\u4e60\u673a\u6784\uff0c\u5927\u90e8\u5206\u5b66\u6821\u4e5f\u4e0d\u5141\u8bb8\u5b83\u4eec\u53c2\u4e0e\u5b66\u672f\u3002\u6240\u4ee5\u6211\u4e00\u70b9\u4e5f\u4e0d\u62c5\u5fc3\u88ab\u4e2d\u56fd\u6d17\u8111\u3002\u6bd4\u8f83\u6709\u95ee\u9898\u7684\u662f\u7f8e\u56fd\u7684\u8fc7\u6fc0\u53cd\u5e94\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Jeremy:<\/strong>\u00a0\u4e00\u4e2a\u76f8\u5173\u7684\u95ee\u9898\uff1a\u4f60\u89c9\u5f97\u4e2d\u56fd\u6709\u6ca1\u6709\u5728\u6709\u610f\u8bc6\u5730\u5bf9\u5916\u8f93\u51fa\u4e00\u4e2a\u653f\u6cbb\u7406\u5ff5\uff1f\u5982\u679c\u6709\u7684\u8bdd\uff0c\u4f60\u89c9\u5f97\u8fd9\u503c\u5f97\u8b66\u60d5\u5417\uff1f<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Chas:<\/strong>\u00a0\u54e6\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u5bf9\u5916\u8f93\u51fa\u610f\u8bc6\u5f62\u6001\u5f88\u6b63\u5e38\uff0c\u6bcf\u4e2a\u56fd\u5bb6\u90fd\u662f\u8fd9\u6837\u7684\u3002\u7279\u522b\u662f\u7f8e\u56fd\uff0c\u5df2\u7ecf\u5bf9\u5916\u8f93\u51fa\u4e86\u4e24\u767e\u5e74\u4e86\u3002\u7136\u800c\u6211\u5e76\u4e0d\u89c9\u5f97\u4e2d\u56fd\u5728\u8bd5\u56fe\u5bf9\u5916\u8f93\u51fa\u4ed6\u4eec\u7684\u6a21\u5f0f\u3002\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u201c\u4e2d\u56fd\u7279\u8272\u793e\u4f1a\u4e3b\u4e49\u201d\u975e\u5e38\u4e2d\u56fd\u7279\u8272\uff0c\u6ca1\u529e\u6cd5\u52a0\u5230\u522b\u7684\u56fd\u5bb6\u4e0a\u53bb\u3002\u4e2d\u56fd\u662f\u4e2acivilization state\uff0c\u800c\u4e0d\u4ec5\u662f\u4e2anation state\u3002\u4e5f\u8bb8\u4e2d\u56fd\u53d6\u5f97\u7684\u7ecf\u6d4e\u53d1\u5c55\u5f88\u5438\u5f15\u4eba\uff0c\u4f46\u662f\u4ed6\u4eec\u7684\u624b\u6bb5\u771f\u7684\u6ca1\u4eba\u80fd\u5b66\u3002\u6709\u8da3\u7684\u662f\uff0c\u4f60\u8981\u662f\u95ee\u4e2d\u56fd\u4eba\uff0c\u4ed6\u4eec\u66f4\u559c\u6b22\u65b0\u52a0\u5761\u7684\u6a21\u5f0f\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Kaiser:<\/strong>\u00a0\u54c8\u54c8\u3002\u4e4b\u524d\u6709\u4e2a\u4eba\u5bf9\u6211\u8bf4\uff0c\u7f8e\u56fd\u548c\u4e2d\u56fd\u540c\u6837\u81ea\u5927\u3002\u7f8e\u56fd\u8ba4\u4e3a\u81ea\u5df1\u7684\u6a21\u5f0f\u662f\u6700\u597d\u7684\uff0c\u5927\u5bb6\u90fd\u5e94\u8be5\u5b66\u4ed6\u4eec\uff1b\u4e2d\u56fd\u8ba4\u4e3a\u81ea\u5df1\u7684\u6a21\u5f0f\u662f\u6700\u72ec\u7279\u7684\uff0c\u6ca1\u4eba\u80fd\u5b66\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Chas:<\/strong>\u00a0\u4ed6\u8bf4\u5f97\u6ca1\u9519\u3002\u53e6\u5916\u4e2d\u56fd\u8fd8\u6709\u4e00\u4e2a\u81ea\u5927\u7684\u70b9\u662f\uff0c\u4e2d\u56fd\u4eba\u8ba4\u4e3a\u53ea\u6709\u81ea\u5df1\u662f\u6587\u660e\u4eba\uff0c\u522b\u4eba\u90fd\u662f\u91ce\u86ee\u4eba\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Kaiser:<\/strong>\u00a0\u4f60\u5728\u90a3\u4e2a\u767e\u4eba\u4f1a\u4e0a\u7684\u8bb2\u8bdd\u91cc\u6709\u8bf4\uff1aThe administration\u2019s indifference to China\u2019s anxieties is a reminder that the greatest vulnerability of any nation are the blind spots that its arrogance creates. \u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u4f60\u662fapostle of informed empathy\uff0c\u5c31\u662f\u8fd9\u4e2a\u610f\u601d\u3002\u7f8e\u56fd\u4e24\u515a\u5bf9\u5bf9\u65b9\u7684anxieties\u7684indifference\uff0c\u6211\u4e2a\u4eba\u89c9\u5f97\uff0c\u662f\u9020\u6210\u6211\u4eec\u7cdf\u7cd5\u7684\u73b0\u72b6\u539f\u56e0\u3002\u4e2d\u7f8e\u5173\u7cfb\u8d70\u4e0b\u5761\u8def\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u662f\u4ece08\uff0c09\u5e74\u5f00\u59cb\u7684\u3002\u4f60\u80fd\u4e0d\u80fd\u8bf4\u8bf4\u5f53\u65f6\u7684\u72b6\u51b5\uff1f<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Chas:<\/strong>\u00a0\u9996\u5148\u6211\u89c9\u5f9708\u5e74\u7684\u4e00\u4e2a\u5927\u4e8b\u60c5\u662fdeflation of the American model. 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class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Kaiser:<\/strong>\u00a0\u90a3\u4e48\u518d\u8fc7\u4e86\u51e0\u5e74\u5462\uff1f\u963f\u62c9\u4f2f\u4e4b\u6625\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u5f71\u54cd\uff1f\u4ed6\u4eec\u53ef\u80fd\u610f\u8bc6\u5230\u7f8e\u56fd\u4ece\u6765\u6ca1\u6709\u771f\u6b63\u628asingle party power\u5b8c\u5168\u5f53\u4f5c\u5408\u6cd5\u653f\u6743\u3002\u4ed6\u4eec\u4e5f\u8bb8\u5e76\u4e0d\u62c5\u5fc3\u7f8e\u56fd\u8feb\u4f7f\u4e2d\u56fdregeme change\uff0c\u4f46\u4ed6\u4eec\u4e00\u5b9a\u5f88\u62c5\u5fc3soft power\u5f71\u54cd\uff1f<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Chas:<\/strong>\u00a0\u4f60\u77e5\u9053\uff0c\u50cfCCP\u8fd9\u6837\u7684\u4e00\u4e2a\u201c\u67aa\u6746\u5b50\u6253\u4e0b\u6c5f\u5c71\u201d\u7684\u653f\u6743\uff0c\u51e0\u5341\u5e74\u540e\u4f1a\u611f\u89c9\u5230\u5f53\u6743\u7684legitimacy\u6709\u52a8\u6447\uff0c\u8fd9\u79cd\u73b0\u8c61\u5f88\u81ea\u7136\u300209\u5e74\u5de6\u53f3\u53d1\u751f\u7684\u5404\u79cd\u989c\u8272\u9769\u547d\u3002\u88ab\u897f\u65b9\u5a92\u4f53\u53eb\u505a\u963f\u62c9\u4f2f\u4e4b\u6625\u7684\u9769\u547d\uff0c\u5176\u5b9e\u505a\u7684\u4e8b\u60c5\u548c\u897f\u65b9\u5a92\u4f53\u62a5\u9053\u7684\u5f88\u4e0d\u4e00\u6837\u3010K\uff1a\u8fd9\u91cc\u4e0d\u662f\u5f88\u786e\u5b9a\u6211\u542c\u61c2\u4e86\u3011\u3002\u6211\u8bb0\u5f97\u5f53\u5e74\u6211\u5728\u53f0\u6e7e\u7684\u65f6\u5019\uff0869\u5e74\u523071\u5e74\uff09\uff0c\u6211\u8bb0\u5f97\u542c\u5230\u65e0\u6570\u7684\u5bf9\u56fd\u6c11\u515a\u7684\u62b1\u6028\uff0c\u90a3\u65f6\u56fd\u6c11\u515a\u662f\u4e2a\u5217\u5b81\u4e3b\u4e49\u7684\u653f\u515a\uff0c\u5f53\u65f6\u7684\u53f0\u6e7e\u653f\u6cbb\u662f\u96c6\u6743\u7684\u3002\u90a3\u65f6\u5019\u6211\u4f5c\u4e3a\u4e00\u4e2a\u65e0\u77e5\u7684\u5916\u56fd\u4eba\uff0c\u95ee\u4ed6\u4eec\uff0c\u5982\u679c\u4f60\u4eec\u8fd9\u4e48\u8ba8\u538c\u8fd9\u4e2a\u653f\u6743\uff0c\u4e3a\u4ec0\u4e48\u4e0d\u60f3\u529e\u6cd5\u8d76\u8d70\u8fd9\u4e2a\u653f\u6743\u5462\uff1f\u4eba\u4eec\u4f1a\u60ca\u60e7\u5730\u770b\u7740\u6211\u8bf4\uff0c\u603b\u662f\u5f97\u6709\u4eba\u5f53\u5b98\u554a\uff0c\u5982\u679c\u6211\u4eec\u8d77\u6765\u53cd\u6297\uff0c\u5f88\u53ef\u80fd\u4f1a\u88ab\u6740\u3002\u53cd\u6b63\u751f\u6d3b\u8d28\u91cf\u5728\u53d8\u597d\u3002\u8fd9\u79cd\u5bf9\u8bdd\u5728\u5927\u9646\u4e5f\u4e0d\u77e5\u9053\u91cd\u590d\u4e86\u591a\u5c11\u904d\u3002\u5982\u679c\u8bf4\u653f\u6743\u5408\u6cd5\u6027\u662f\u57fa\u4e8e\u7ecf\u6d4e\u72b6\u51b5\u7684\uff0c2008\u5e74\u7684\u65f6\u5019\u7ecf\u6d4e\u5371\u673a\uff0c\u5982\u679c\u4e2d\u56fd\u7ecf\u6d4e\u56e0\u4e3a\u4ec0\u4e48\u8fc7\u5931\u800c\u8427\u6761\uff0c\u5982\u679c\u53cd\u8150\u628a\u79c1\u8425\u7ecf\u6d4e\u903c\u6b7b\u4e86\uff0c\u90a3\u4e48\u90a3\u4e2a\u65f6\u5019\u56fd\u5bb6\u4f1a\u62c5\u5fc3\u81ea\u5df1\u7684\u653f\u6743\u5408\u6cd5\u6027\u3002\u56de\u60f3\u4e00\u4e0b\u5929\u5b89\u95e8\u4e8b\u4ef6\u3002\u5b66\u751f\u4eec\u4e0d\u662f\u5728\u5d07\u62dc\u6c11\u4e3b\uff0c\u4ed6\u4eec\u6709\u522b\u7684\u8bc9\u6c42\u3002\u73b0\u5728\u7684CCP\u9ad8\u5c42\u5e94\u8be5\u8fd8\u8bb0\u5f97\u8fd9\u4e2a\u4e8b\u4ef6\u3002\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u8fd9\u4e9b\u62c5\u5fc3\u8fd8\u662f\u6709\u5f71\u54cd\u7684\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<blockquote><p>46:30<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Kaiser:<\/strong>\u00a0\u6211\u8bb0\u5f97\u4f60\u5728\u54ea\u91cc\u8fd8\u8bf4\u8fc7\uff0c\uff08\u7ecf\u6d4e\u53d1\u5c55\u4ee5\u5916\u7684\uff09\u53e6\u4e00\u4e2a\u653f\u6743\u5408\u6cd5\u6027\u7684\u57fa\u77f3\u662f\u56fd\u9645\u5730\u4f4d\u3002\u4f60\u597d\u50cf\u8bf4\u5ddd\u666e\u73b0\u5728\u5728\u505a\u7684\u4e8b\u60c5\u662f\u6253\u51fb\u7ecf\u6d4e\uff08trade war\uff09\u3002\u4f60\u80fd\u4e0d\u80fd\u518d\u89e3\u91ca\u4e00\u4e0b\uff0c\u5317\u4eac\u65b9\u9762\u53ef\u80fd\u662f\u600e\u6837\u770b\u5f85\u5ddd\u666e\u5728\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u505a\u4ec0\u4e48\uff1f<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Chas:<\/strong>\u00a0\u81f3\u5c11\u5ddd\u666e\u6ca1\u6709\u5bf9\u4e60\u7528\u522b\u79f0\u548c\u4fae\u8fb1\u7684\u8bed\u8a00\u3002\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u56fd\u9645\u5730\u4f4d\u662f\u5173\u4e4e\u8138\u9762\u7684\u4e8b\u60c5\u3002\u8138\u9762\u662f\u901a\u8fc7\u522b\u4eba\u7684\u5c0a\u91cd\u5f97\u5230\u81ea\u6211\u5c0a\u91cd\u3010K\uff1a\u54c7\uff01\u6211\u4ece\u6765\u6ca1\u60f3\u5230\u8fc7\u3011\u3002\u8138\u9762\u4e0d\u662f\u5149\u662f\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u6982\u5ff5\uff0c\u5f53\u7136\u4e2d\u56fd\u4eba\u7684\u8868\u8fbe\u5f88\u7279\u522b\u3002\u6240\u4ee5\uff0c\u56fd\u9645\u5730\u4f4d\u6709\u4e24\u90e8\u5206\u7ec4\u6210\u3002\u7b2c\u4e00\u662f\u5bf9\u56fd\u571f\u5916\u7684\u529b\u91cf\u3002\u7b2c\u4e8c\u662f\u8138\u9762\uff0c\u662f\u5916\u56fd\u4eba\u5bf9\u4f60\u7684\u5c0a\u91cd\u3002\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u4e2d\u56fd\u5b98\u65b9\u76ee\u524d\u7684\u4e00\u4e2a\u76ee\u6807\u662f\u5f97\u5230\u5c0a\u91cd\uff0c\u6211\u8fd8\u4e0d\u89c9\u5f97\u53ef\u4ee5\u79f0\u4e4b\u4e3a\u6218\u7565\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Jeremy:<\/strong>\u00a0Chas, \u76ee\u524d\u5728\u7f8e\u56fd\u7684\u4e2d\u56fd\u5708\u5b50\u91cc\uff0c\u6709\u4e00\u4e2a\u6d41\u884c\u7684\u89c2\u70b9\u662f\u4ee5\u524d\u7684\u5408\u4f5c\uff08engagement\uff09\u6218\u7565\u9700\u8981\u505c\u6b62\u3002Kaiser\u6700\u8fd1\u548cKurt Campbell\u804a\u7684\u65f6\u5019\uff0cKurt\u8bf4\u4ed6\u8fd8\u662f\u652f\u6301engagement\u3002\u4f46\u662f\u8bfb\u4ed6\u6700\u8fd1\u53d1\u8868\u5728FP\u4e0a\u7684\u6587\u7ae0\uff0c\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u5f88\u660e\u663e\u4ed6\u4ecd\u7136\u89c9\u5f97engagement\u7684\u65b9\u5f0f\u9700\u8981\u4fee\u6539\u3002James Mann\u7684\u4e66The China 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class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Chas:<\/strong>\u00a0\u5f53\u65f6\u6211\u4eec\u6ca1\u6709\u671f\u5f85\u4e2d\u56fd\u80fd\u5728\u77ed\u65f6\u671f\u5185\u53d8\u6210\u6c11\u4e3b\u56fd\u5bb6\u3002\u90a3\u4e4b\u540e\u6211\u4eec\u7684\u653f\u7b56\u4e5f\u4e00\u76f4\u6ca1\u6709\u8fd9\u6837\u671f\u5f85\u3002\u552f\u4e00\u7684\u4f8b\u5916\u662f\u514b\u6797\u987f\u603b\u7edf\u4e0a\u4efb\u7684\u524d\u4e24\u5e74\uff0c\u90a3\u65f6\u6240\u6709\u7684\u4e8b\u60c5\u90fd\u8ddf\u4eba\u6743\u6302\u94a9\u3002\u90a3\u4e2a\u653f\u7b56\u5931\u8d25\u4e86\uff0c\u4e5f\u88ab\u653e\u5f03\u4e86\u3002\u4f46\u662f\uff0c\u5e0c\u671b\u6539\u53d8\u4e2d\u56fd\uff0c\u662f\u6839\u6df1\u8482\u56fa\u5b58\u5728\u4e8e\u7f8e\u56fd\u7cbe\u795e\u91cc\u7684\u3002\u4f60\u4e5f\u8bb8\u80fd\u8bb0\u5f97\u8fd9\u4ef6\u4e8b\uff0c\u4e00\u4e2a\u7f8e\u56fd\u8bae\u5458\uff08\u6211\u4e00\u4e0b\u5b50\u60f3\u4e0d\u8d77\u6765\u540d\u5b57\uff09\uff0c\u6709\u4e00\u6b21\u5728\u4e0a\u6d77\u7684\u4e00\u4e2a\u6d3b\u52a8\u4e0a\uff0c\u4e3e\u676f\u795d\u9152\u8f9e\u7684\u4e00\u90e8\u5206\u662f\uff0cwith God\u2019s help, we will lift Shanghai up until it is just Kansas City\u3002\u8fd9\u79cd\u4f20\u6559\u7684\u70ed\u60c5\uff0c\u662f\u7f8e\u56fd\u4eba\u6839\u6df1\u8482\u56fa\u7684\u89c2\u5ff5\u3002\u8fd9\u4e48\u591a\u5e74\u6765\u4e5f\u6709\u5f88\u591a\u4eba\u5e0c\u671b\u8fd9\u79cd\u4f20\u6559\u771f\u7684\u8fdb\u5165\u7f8e\u56fd\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u653f\u7b56\u3002\u4f46\u662f\u5b83\u5e76\u6ca1\u6709\u88ab\u5f53\u4f5c\u653f\u7b56\u3002\u76f8\u53cd\u7684\uff0c\u4e2d\u7f8e\u5173\u7cfb\u7684\u5960\u57fa\u6587\u4ef6\u300a<a 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class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<blockquote><p>51:04<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Kaiser:<\/strong>\u00a0\u6211\u4eec\u6765\u8bf4\u4e00\u8bf4\u4e00\u5e26\u4e00\u8def\u5427\uff01\u4f60\u89c9\u5f97\u534e\u76db\u987f\u65b9\u9762\u5bf9\u5b83\u8db3\u591f\u91cd\u89c6\u5417\uff1f\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u4f3c\u4e4e\u5f88\u591a\u4eba\u5f88\u4e0d\u4ee5\u4e3a\u7136\uff0c\u6709\u7684\u4eba\u4f3c\u4e4e\u89c9\u5f97\u4e0d\u53bb\u60f3\u5b83\uff0c\u5b83\u5c31\u4f1a\u6d88\u5931\uff1b\u6709\u7684\u4eba\u4ec5\u5728\u6709\u65f6\u5019\u5931\u8d25\u7684\u9879\u76ee\u7206\u51fa\u6765\u4e4b\u540e\u7b11\u4e00\u7b11\u3002\u4e5f\u6709\u4eba\u5bf9\u5b83\u975e\u5e38\u654c\u610f\u3002\u4f46\u662f\u4e0d\u7ba1\u662f\u5ddd\u666e\u653f\u5e9c\u5185\u8fd8\u662f\u5916\uff0c\u4f3c\u4e4e\u6ca1\u6709\u4e00\u4e2a\u4eba\u89c9\u5f97\u6211\u4eec\u5e94\u8be5\u52a0\u5165\u5408\u4f5c\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Chas:<\/strong>\u00a0\u7f8e\u56fd\u4f01\u4e1a\u80af\u5b9a\u4f1a\u60f3\u53c2\u4e0e\u7684\uff0c\u56e0\u4e3a\u91cc\u9762\u6709\u94b1\u8d5a\u3002\u5bf9\u4e8e\u7f8e\u56fd\u653f\u5e9c\u6765\u8bf4\uff0c\u4e00\u5e26\u4e00\u8def\u7684\u95ee\u9898\u662f\uff0c\u5b83\u4e0d\u662f\u4e00\u4e2a\u9879\u76ee\uff0c\u800c\u662f\u4e00\u4e2a\u6218\u7565\u3002\u8fd8\u6709\u4e00\u4e2a\u95ee\u9898\u662f\u6211\u4eec\u6ca1\u94b1\u53c2\u4e0e\uff0c\u6211\u4eec\u7684\u94b1\u90fd\u82b1\u5728\u4e86\u519b\u961f\u4e0a\uff0c\u800c\u6211\u4eec\u6253\u7684\u6bcf\u4e2a\u4ed7\u90fd\u5931\u8d25\u4e86\u3002\u6211\u4eec\u6ca1\u94b1\u9020\u6210\u672c\u571f\u7684\u57fa\u5efa\u843d\u540e\uff0c\u4e0d\u7ba1\u662f\u7269\u8d28\u7684\u57fa\u7840\u8fd8\u662f\u4eba\u529b\u7684\u57fa\u7840\u90fd\u5728\u6162\u6162\u8150\u70c2\u3002\u6211\u4eec\u6ca1\u6709\u5728\u672c\u571f\u6295\u8d44\u3002\u66f4\u4e0d\u7528\u8bf4\u5728\u56fd\u5916\u6295\u8d44\uff0c\u4e0d\u7ba1\u662f\u548c\u4e00\u5e26\u4e00\u8def\u5408\u4f5c\u8fd8\u662f\u7ade\u4e89\u3002\u7b2c\u4e8c\u4e2a\u95ee\u9898\u662f\uff0c\u8fd9\u662f\u4e00\u4e2a\u7ecf\u6d4e\u6218\u7565\uff0c\u5b83\u57fa\u4e8e\u56fd\u9645\u5173\u7cfb\u3001\u6295\u8d44\u5efa\u8bbe\u3002\u4f46\u662f\u6211\u4eec\u770b\u5f85\u5b83\u7684\u65f6\u5019\u4e3b\u8981\u89c9\u5f97\u662f\u519b\u4e8b\u6218\u7565\uff0c\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u8fd9\u91cc\u7684\u519b\u4e8b\u6210\u5206\u5f88\u4e0d\u91cd\u8981\u3002\u5bf9\u8fd9\u4e2a\u95ee\u9898\u7684\u6700\u540e\u7684\u4e00\u4e2a\u8bc4\u8bba\u662f\uff0c\u5f53\u7136\u4e00\u5e26\u4e00\u8def\u4e0b\u7684\u9879\u76ee\u4f1a\u5931\u8d25\u3002\u6211\u4e5f\u505a\u8fc7\u751f\u610f\uff0c\u6211\u77e5\u9053\u9879\u76ee\u5341\u6709\u516b\u4e5d\u4f1a\u5931\u8d25\u3002\u4f60\u77e5\u9053\u7684\uff0c\u5982\u679c\u4f60\u4e0d\u5192\u9669\uff0c\u5c31\u5f97\u4e0d\u5230\u56de\u62a5\u3002\u4e2d\u56fd\u4eba\u5728\u5b66\u7740\u505a\u9879\u76ee\u3002\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u8fd9\u65b9\u9762\u6700\u6709\u610f\u601d\u7684\u4e00\u4e2a\u9879\u76ee\u662f\u4e2d\u56fd\u5df4\u57fa\u65af\u5766\u7ecf\u6d4e\u8d70\u5eca\u9879\u76ee\u3002\u8bf4\u5b9e\u8bdd\uff0c\u80fd\u5728\u5df4\u57fa\u65af\u5766\u505a\u6210\u4e00\u4e01\u70b9\u4e8b\u60c5\u7684\u4eba\u90fd\u662f\u5f88\u4e86\u4e0d\u8d77\u7684\u4e86\u3002\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u4e2d\u56fd\u4eba\u505a\u8fd9\u4e9b\u975e\u5e38\u5927\u80c6\uff08\u4e5f\u8bb8\u6709\u70b9\u65e0\u77e5\u8005\u65e0\u754f\uff09\uff0c\u6211\u4e0d\u77e5\u9053\u7ed3\u679c\u4f1a\u600e\u6837\u3002\u4f46\u662f\u80af\u5b9a\u4f1a\u6709\u4e9b\u9879\u76ee\u6302\u6389\u3002\u6211\u4e5f\u89c9\u5f97\u5728\u5df4\u57fa\u65af\u5766\u548c\u5176\u4ed6\u56fd\u5bb6\uff0c\u90fd\u4f1a\u6709nationalist 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class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Chas:<\/strong>\u00a0\u5173\u4e8e\u9999\u6e2f\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u51fa\u4e86\u597d\u51e0\u4e2a\u95ee\u9898\u3002\u9996\u5148\u9999\u6e2f\u662f\u516d\u56db\u8fd0\u52a8\u8fde\u5e26\u4f24\u5bb3\u5230\u6700\u5927\u7684\u53d7\u5bb3\u8005\u4e86\u3002\u4e2d\u82f1\u5546\u91cf97\u5e74\u56de\u5f52\u7684\u65f6\u5019\uff0c\u82f1\u56fd\u867d\u7136\u6709100\u5e74\u7684\u65f6\u95f4\uff0c\u5374\u6ca1\u6709\u5728\u9999\u6e2f\u5efa\u7acb\u6c11\u4e3b\u5236\u5ea6\uff0c\u5f53\u65f6\u4e2d\u82f1\u5546\u91cf\u7684\u7ed3\u679c\u662f\uff0c\u4e2d\u56fd\u4f1a\u7ed9\u9999\u6e2f\u6c11\u4e3b\u5236\u5ea6\u3002\u5929\u5b89\u95e8\u4e8b\u4ef6\u540e\uff0c\u82f1\u56fd\u5ffd\u7136\u60f3\u5728\u56de\u5f52\u524d\u5efa\u7acb\u6c11\u4e3b\u3002\u8fd9\u4e2a\u7684\u7ed3\u679c\u8868\u9762\u4e0a\u662f\u6e2f\u4eba\u6cbb\u6e2f\uff0c\u4f46\u5b9e\u9645\u4e0a\u662ffat cats rule Hong 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class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Kaiser:<\/strong>\u00a0Is there a way back from this?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Chas:<\/strong>\u00a0\u4e00\u65b9\u9762\u9999\u6e2f\u4eba\u8981\u66f4\u52a0\u73b0\u5b9e\u4e00\u4e9b\u3002\u6211\u5f88\u9057\u61be\u5730\u8bf4\uff0c\u90a3\u4e9b\u5728\u5360\u4e2d\u8fd0\u52a8\u4e2d\u975e\u5e38prominent\u7684\u4eba\uff0c\u5c06\u65e0\u6cd5\u53c2\u4e0e\u9999\u6e2f\u7684\u672a\u6765\uff0c\u5317\u4eac\u4f1a\u9650\u5236\u4ed6\u4eec\u7684\u3002\u3010K\uff1aWTF? you sound like you are blaming them.\u3011\u9999\u6e2f\u53ef\u4ee5\u53d8\u5f97\u6c11\u4e3b\u7684\uff0c\u4f46\u60c5\u51b5\u548c\u4f0a\u6717\u4e00\u6837\uff0c\u5728\u4f0a\u6717\u4f60\u4e0d\u80fd\u8d28\u7591\u4f0a\u65af\u5170\u6559\u3002\u5728\u4e2d\u56fd\u4e5f\u4e00\u6837\uff0c\u4f60\u4e0d\u80fd\u8d28\u7591\u4e2d\u56fd\u7edf\u4e00\u3002\u5982\u679c\u4f60\u8d28\u7591\uff0c\u4f60\u5c31\u5b8c\u4e86\u3002\u5982\u679c\u4f60\u4e0d\u8d28\u7591\uff0c\u4f60\u8fd8\u662f\u6709\u5f88\u591a\u522b\u7684\u4e8b\u60c5\u53ef\u4ee5\u8bf4\u7684\u3002\u3010K\uff1aWTF\uff0c\u80fd\u8bf4\u7684\u5df2\u7ecf\u8d8a\u6765\u8d8a\u5c11\u4e86\u3002\u8fd9\u4e00\u6bb5\u542c\u5f97\u6211\u8981\u53d1\u706b\u4e86\u3002\u3011<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Kaiser:<\/strong>\u00a0\u5982\u4eca\u5bf9\u4e2d\u7f8e\u5173\u7cfb\u8981\u4e50\u89c2\u8d8a\u6765\u8d8a\u96be\u4e86\u3002\u6bd4\u5982term 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behavior\u3002\u8fd9\u4e9b\u53d1\u751f\u4e86\uff0c\u4e2d\u56fd\u52a0\u5165\u4e86\u4e16\u754c\uff0c\u52a0\u5165\u4e86\u5bf9\u82cf\u8054\u7684containment\uff0c\u540e\u6765\uff0c\u4e2d\u56fd\u5185\u90e8\u4e5f\u6539\u9769\u4e86\u3002\u9093\u5c0f\u5e73\u7684\u201c\u53bb\u6bdb\u5316\u201d\u5f88\u6709\u6548\u7684\u3002\u6700\u8fd1\u7684\u56db\u5341\u5e74\u603b\u4f53\u662f\u8fdb\u6b65\u7684\uff0c\u867d\u7136\u5176\u4e2d\u4e5f\u6709\u9000\u6b65\u7684\u4e8b\u60c5\u3002\u4f60\u8bf4\u5230\u7684\u90a3\u4e9b\u4e8b\u60c5\u90fd\u5f88\u53ef\u6015\uff0c\u4f46\u6211\u4e0d\u89c9\u5f97\u5b83\u4eec\u6539\u53d8\u4e86\u6574\u4e2atrend 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I think we shouldn\u2019t have illusions about China. It\u2019s a very different place, different values, moving in its own pace. But I don\u2019t think it\u2019s exempt from the basic social economic forces that have shaped the rest of human society. \u3010K\uff1a\u6211\u7406\u89e3\u4e3a\uff0c\u4ed6\u8fd9\u4e48\u5e73\u548c\u7684\u6001\u5ea6\u662f\u56e0\u4e3a\u4ed6\u672c\u6765\u5c31\u6ca1\u6709\u8fc7\u9ad8\u671f\u5f85\u3002\u4ed6\u8bf4\u7684\u9760\u4e2d\u56fd\u4eba\u6765\u6539\u53d8\u4e2d\u56fd\u6211\u4e5f\u662f\u975e\u5e38\u540c\u610f\u3002\u90a3\u5c31\u662f\u6211\u554a\uff1f\u53ef\u662f\uff1f\u3011<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Kaiser:<\/strong>\u00a0\u7f8e\u56fd\u4eba\u5c31\u662f\u8fd9\u6837\uff0c\u5148\u8bbe\u7acb\u9ad8\u671f\u5f85\uff0c\u5931\u671b\u540e\u53c8\u89c9\u5f97\u5f88\u59d4\u5c48\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Chas:<\/strong>\u00a0\u6211\u5df2\u7ecf\u89c1\u8fc7\u597d\u51e0\u6ce2\u4e86\u3002\u6211\u5c0f\u65f6\u50191950s\uff0c\u7f8e\u56fd\u4eba\u89c9\u5f97\u4e2d\u56fd\u662fland of blue ants\uff1b1960\u5e74\u4ee3\uff0c\u662f\u75af\u72c2\u7684\u6587\u9769\uff1b1970\u5e74\u4ee3\uff0c\u4fdd\u5b88\u6d3e\u53d1\u73b0\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u5b66\u751f\u5728\u8bfe\u5802\u4e0a\u5750\u5f97\u7b14\u76f4\uff0c\u90fd\u526a\u77ed\u53d1\uff0cin every respect the admirable reactionaries\uff1b1980\u5e74\u4ee3\uff0c\u6211\u4eec\u53d1\u73b0\u4e2d\u56fd\u5728\u53d1\u5c55\uff0c\u4ed6\u4eec\u5c31\u8981\u548c\u6211\u4eec\u4e00\u6837\u4e86\uff0c\u5ffd\u71361989\u5e74\u4e8b\u4ef6\u53d1\u751f\u4e86\u3002\u6211\u770b\u5230\u4e86\u8fd9\u4e9b\u4e0d\u5207\u5b9e\u9645\u7684\u5370\u8c61\u4ece\u4e00\u4e2a\u6781\u7aef\u5230\u53e6\u4e00\u4e2a\u6781\u7aef\u6447\u6446\uff0c\u5e0c\u671b\u672a\u6765\u6211\u4eec\u80fd\u66f4\u52a0\u5e73\u8861\u5730\u770b\u5f85\u4e2d\u56fd\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Jeremy:<\/strong>\u00a0\u6211\u4eec\u7b2c\u4e00\u90e8\u5206\u8c08\u8bdd\u7ed3\u675f\u524d\uff0c\u6211\u60f3\u95ee\u95ee\u4f60\uff0c\u56e0\u4e3a\u6211\u4eec\u8bf4\u4e86\u8fd9\u4e48\u591a\u6211\u4eec\u641e\u9519\u5173\u4e8e\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u4e8b\u60c5\uff0c\u4f60\u80fd\u4e0d\u80fd\u63a8\u8350\u4ec0\u4e48\u6587\u7ae0\u6216\u8005\u4e66\u628a\u641e\u5bf9\u4e86\uff1f<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Chas:<\/strong>\u00a0\u6211\u89c9\u5f97\u7f8e\u56fd\u7684\u5b66\u672f\u754c\u56e0\u4e3aliberal ideology\u800c\u5f88\u5c11\u6709\u641e\u5bf9\u7684\u3002\u6211\u597d\u50cf\u63a8\u8350\u4e0d\u51fa\u6765\u3002\u5f53\u7136\u4f60\u53ef\u4ee5\u8bfb\u6211\u5199\u7684\u4e66\uff1aInteresting Times: China, America and the Shifting Balance of Prestige\u3002\u8fd9\u672c\u4e66\u8fd8\u662f\u6bd4\u8f83recent\u7684\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"cl-preview-section\">\n<p><strong>Kaiser:<\/strong>\u00a0\u6211\u4eec\u7684\u6b63\u5f0f\u63a8\u8350\u680f\u76ee\u4f1a\u5728\u4e0b\u4e00\u96c6\u8282\u76ee\u91cc\u3002\u4f46\u6211\u60f3\u63a8\u8350Chas Freeman an Oral History\u3002<\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u8fd9\u4e2ainterview\u662f8\u670816\u65e5\u64ad\u51fa\u7684\u3002\u6211\u5f88\u559c\u6b22\u4ed6\u4eec\u7684\u8ba8\u8bba\uff0c\u89c9\u5f97\u542c\u5b8c\u9700\u8981\u8bb0\u5f55\uff0c\u5b9e\u9645\u76ee\u7684\u662f\u8bb0\u5f55\uff0c\u4f46\u53c8\u89c9\u5f97\u4e0d\u60f3\u6f0f\u6389\u7ec6\u8282\uff0c\u6240\u4ee5\u53d8\u6210\u73b0\u5728\u8fd9\u79cd\u6837\u5b50\u3002\u53c8\u4e0d\u591f\u6982\u62ec\u53c8\u4e0d\u591f\u51c6\u786e\uff0c\u8fd8\u975e\u5e38\u7684\u8d39\u65f6\u95f4\u3002\u6211\u7684\u542c\u5199\u5927\u6982\u662f\u8282\u76ee\u65f6\u95f4\u76844\u500d\u3002\u9047\u5230\u4e0d\u77e5\u9053\u7684\u4e1c\u897f\u987a\u624b\u67e5\u4e00\u4e24\u4e0b\u53c8\u662f\u975e\u5e38\u8d39\u65f6\u3002\u540e\u9762\u4e24\u96c6\u80af\u5b9a\u4e0d\u8fd9\u6837\u8bb0\u5f55\u4e86\uff0c\u8d1f\u62c5\u4e0d\u8d77\u8fd9\u4e2a\u65f6\u95f4\u3002\u4e5f\u60f3\u4e0d\u51fa\u6765\u600e\u4e48\u505a\u597d\u3002\u4eca\u5929\u4e0d\u60f3\u60f3\u8fd9\u4e2a\u95ee\u9898\u4e86\u3002 podcast released on 8\/17\/18 \u4ecd\u7136\u4e0d\u662f\u5b8c\u6574\u7684transcribe\u3002\u8fde\u7740\u4e09\u661f\u671f\u542c\u5b8c\u540e\uff0c\u89c9\u5f97\u5f88\u6709\u5fc5\u8981\u8bb0\u5f55\u4e00\u4e0b\u3002\u8fd9\u4f4d\u5609\u5bbeChas W. Freeman\u7684\u80cc\u666f\u548c\u7ecf\u5386\u4e5f\u662f\u975e\u5e38\u4e30\u5bcc\u3002\u542c\u4ed6\u8bf4\u4e8b\u60c5\u975e\u5e38\u53d7\u76ca\u3002\u5f53\u7136\u4ed6\u8bf4\u7684\u4e1c\u897f\u662fout of depths of me\u3002\u8981\u8bb0\u5f55\u5bf9\u6211\u633a\u6709\u96be\u5ea6\u7684\u3002Kaiser\u548cJeremy\u8bb2\u5230\u7684\u5f88\u591a\u4e1c\u897f\u6211\u4e5f\u90fd\u4e0d\u77e5\u9053\u3002\u3002 Legendary Diplomat Chas W. Freeman, Jr., On U.S.-China Strategy And History: Part 1 \u5f00\u5934\uff1aKaiser\u548cJeremy\u4ecb\u7ecd\u4e86\u5609\u5bbe\u3002Freeman\u5927\u4f7f\u6709\u5f88\u957f\u7684\u5916\u4ea4\u7ecf\u5386\u3002 \u4ed6\u7684\u6c49\u8bed\u8bb2\u5f97\u975e\u5e38\u6d41\u5229\u3002\u57281972\u5c3c\u514b\u677e\u8bbf\u534e\u7684\u5386\u53f2\u6027\u4e8b\u4ef6\u91cc\uff0c\u4ed6\u662f\u4e3b\u8981\u7ffb\u8bd1\u5458\u3002\u4e2d\u7f8e\u6062\u590d\u5916\u4ea4\u5173\u7cfb\u4e4b\u540e\u76841979\u5e74\u52301981\u5e74\uff0c\u4ed6\u662fState Department\u7684director of Chinese affairs\u3002\u7136\u540e81\u523084\u5e74\u4ed6\u5728\u7f8e\u56fd\u9a7b\u534e\u5927\u4f7f\u9986\u5de5\u4f5c\uff1b93\u523093\u5e74\u662f\uff08\u56fd\u9632\u90e8\u5de5\u4f5c\uff09\uff1b\u4ed6\u540e\u6765\u51fa\u4efb\u7f8e\u56fd\u9a7b\u6c99\u7279\u963f\u62c9\u4f2f\u5927\u4f7f\uff0c\u4ed6\u7684\u4efb\u671f\u5185\u8428\u8fbe\u59c6\u4fb5\u7565\u4e86\u79d1\u5a01\u7279\u3002\u5728\u5965\u5df4\u9a6c\u7b2c\u4e00\u4e2a\u4efb\u671f\u65f6\uff0c\u4ed6\u88ab\u63d0\u540d\u62c5\u4efbDirector of Intelligence Council\uff0c\u4f46\u662f\u7531\u4e8e\u4ed6\u575a\u6301\u51fa\u7248Mearsheimer\u7684\u5173\u4e8e\u5728\u7f8e\u56fd\u7684\u4ee5\u8272\u5217lobby\u7684\u5f71\u54cd\u529b\u7684\u4e66\uff0c\u65e9\u5230\u4e86\u5f88\u591a\u4eb2\u4ee5\u8272\u5217\u7684\u4eba\u58eb\u7684\u53cd\u5bf9\uff0c\u4e0d\u5f97\u4e0d\u9000\u51fa\uff0c\u800c\u8fd9\u4ef6\u4e8b\u6b63\u597d\u8bf4\u660e\u4eb2\u4ee5\u8272\u5217\u6d3e\u7cfb\u5728\u7f8e\u56fd\u653f\u6cbb\u4e2d\u5f88\u6709\u5f71\u54cd\u529b\u3002Freeman\u5927\u4f7f\u76ee\u524d\u662fSenior fellow at Brown University\u2019s Watson Institution for international and public affairs\u3002\u4ed6\u5199\u4e86\u5f88\u591a\u5173\u4e8e\u7f8e\u56fd\u3001\u4e2d\u4e1c\u7684\u4e66\uff0c\u5f53\u7136\u8fd8\u6709\u5173\u4e8e\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u4e66\u3002 Kaiser:\u00a0\u6211\u4eec\u4eca\u5929\u5f53\u7136\u5c31\u662f\u6765\u8bb2\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u3002Freeman\u5927\u4f7f\u5728\u8fd9\u65b9\u9762\u53d1\u8868\u8fc7\u5f88\u591a\u3002\u5728\u6211\u770b\u6765\uff0c\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u6700\u7406\u60f3\u7684\u6001\u5ea6\u662f&#8221;informed empathy&#8221;\u3002\u6ca1\u6709\u4eba\u6bd4Freeman\u5927\u4f7f\u66f4embody\u6211\u7684\u8fd9\u4e2a\u7406\u60f3\u3002 Kaiser &amp; Jeremy:\u00a0\u4e00\u822c\u6211\u4eec\u53ea\u548c\u6211\u4eec\u7684\u5609\u5bbe\u6df1\u5165\u8ba8\u8bba\u4e00\u4e2a\u8bdd\u9898\uff0c\u4f46\u662f\u4f60\u7684\u7ecf\u5386\u90a3\u4e48\u4e30\u5bcc\uff0c\u6211\u4eec\u60f3\u8981\u8986\u76d6\u66f4\u591a\uff0c\u6211\u4eec\u8fd9\u6b21\u5f55\u7684\u8282\u76ee\u4f1a\u5206\u4e24\u671f\u64ad\u653e\u3002\u6211\u4eec\u7b2c\u4e00\u90e8\u5206\u4f1a\u8bb2\u5982\u4eca\u7684\u6001\u52bf\uff0c\u4e2d\u7f8e\u53cc\u8fb9\u5173\u7cfb\u3002\u7b2c\u4e8c\u90e8\u5206\u6765\u8bb2\u8bb2\u4f60\u65e9\u8d77\u548c\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u5173\u7cfb\uff0c\u7279\u522b\u662f\u4f60\u5728\u53f0\u6e7e\u7684\u7ecf\u5386\uff0c\u4f60\u53c2\u4e0e\u5c3c\u514b\u677e\u8bbf\u534e\u7684\u4e8b\u60c5\uff0c\u8fd8\u6709\u63a5\u4e0b\u6765\u4e24\u56fd\u5efa\u4ea4\u65f6\u671f\u7684\u4e8b\u60c5\u3002 Kaiser:\u00a0\u8ba9\u6211\u4eec\u4ece\u6211\u8111\u4e2d\u7b2c\u4e00\u4e2a\u8bdd\u9898\u5f00\u59cb\u8bf4\u8d77\uff1a\u7f8e\u56fd\u5bf9\u5982\u4eca\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684\u5d1b\u8d77\u7684\u53cd\u5e94\u8ba9\u4eba\u62c5\u5fe7\u3002\u4f60\u5728\u4eca\u5e742\u6708\u7684\u6f14\u8bb2\u4e2d\uff0c\u8bf4\u5230\u7f8e\u56fd\u9488\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u7684&#8221;strategy deficit&#8221;\u3002\u4f60\u80fd\u4e0d\u80fd\u89e3\u91ca\u4e00\u4e0b\u4f60\u8bf4\u7f3a\u4e4f\u6218\u7565\u662f\u4ec0\u4e48\u610f\u601d\uff0c\u4f60\u89c9\u5f97\u7f8e\u56fd\u9488\u5bf9\u4e2d\u56fd\u5e94\u8be5\u8981\u6709\u4ec0\u4e48\u6218\u7565\uff1f Chas W. 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